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    OHL, QMJHL, WHL.

    Discuss it here!
    "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

  • #2
    For a long time I have railed about the rules that "protect" the major junior leagues in Canada. At 18 or 19 a player drafted from juniors can play in the NHL. But not the AHL.

    However a player from college or Europe can play in either place.

    These different rules never made any sense to me, and still don't. They serve only the junior teams. Not the NHL teams and certainly not the players. A case in point is Nino. When he was here and struggling at 19 some time down in the A would have served him well. But that was not an option. Instead he got buried on the 4th line with Reasoner and Pandolfo. And so began the downward spiral that lead to him being traded away. While I can not say for sure that a stint in the A that season would have turned things around, it was where he belonged and it might have. And had he come directly from Switzerland instead of the W, that would have been an option.

    I really think the rules need to be made consistent.
    "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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    • #3
      the CHL teams are business enterprises. They are not farm teams for the NHL. Fans in Oshawa want to see Michael Dal Colle and Mitchell Vande Some <sp> play. Perhaps there is a way for the NHL to financially compensate and use a one per team "exemption" and allow a player to play in the AHL? In other words - the Isles can designate one of Ho-Sang, Dal Colle or another for assignment to AHL - but not all. I would pick Dal Colle. I think Ho-Sang can play another year in Junior and then a year in AHL before he would be physically ready for nHL rigor. MDC is a lot closer.

      Need more choice of Emoticons !

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kaszycki's Krew View Post
        the CHL teams are business enterprises. They are not farm teams for the NHL. Fans in Oshawa want to see Michael Dal Colle and Mitchell Vande Some <sp> play. Perhaps there is a way for the NHL to financially compensate and use a one per team "exemption" and allow a player to play in the AHL? In other words - the Isles can designate one of Ho-Sang, Dal Colle or another for assignment to AHL - but not all. I would pick Dal Colle. I think Ho-Sang can play another year in Junior and then a year in AHL before he would be physically ready for nHL rigor. MDC is a lot closer.

        Need more choice of Emoticons !
        Some kind of limited exception is needed IMHO. It can be limited but I think a change is warranted. Not just for the NHL teams but in the best interests of the players.

        Oh, and I am FURIOUSLY searching for the dreaded pumpkin emoticon.
        "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mw147 View Post

          Some kind of limited exception is needed IMHO. It can be limited but I think a change is warranted. Not just for the NHL teams but in the best interests of the players.

          Oh, and I am FURIOUSLY searching for the dreaded pumpkin emoticon.
          It will never happen as long as the CHL is a for-profit business. Especially now with the lawsuit over minimum wage issues for the players. If the players win, expect more restrictions to allow teams to keep their top players.

          One of the reasons so many top players get traded their final year in Jr. is to allow teams to start restocking quickly so they don't spiral to the bottom of the league. Strome finishing his final year in Niagara was aberration. The fans I talked to were all hoping he was going to be traded. Dal Colle and possbily Vande Sompel should be moved by January if Oshawa doesn't expect to have a good chance at repeating.

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          • #6
            http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ho...p-even-better/

            How the CHL could make the Memorial Cup even better This year’s Memorial Cup finished in fantastic form with Oshawa edging Kelowna 2-1 in overtime. Anthony Cirelli, a rookie who had been passed over twice in the OHL draft and signed with the Generals as a free agent, scored both goals in a fairytale performance. The game was marked by excellent matchups, stellar goaltending and a lot of drama. Come to think of it, I wouldn’t have minded seeing a rematch or two.
            Which got me thinking: why not make the final a best-of-three affair? In fact, why not revisit the Memorial Cup’s format altogether? It wouldn’t be the first alteration in the tournament’s illustrious history.

            Personally, my biggest gripe is the length of the tournament. One game a day? That spreads things out way too much during a time when there isn’t a lot of other hockey going on (the NHL conference finals are usually on at the time and that’s only a game per night itself). I also struggle with the concept of a host team, one that gets an automatic berth – though the Quebec Remparts did themselves proud this year, both on the ice and in the party-throwing department. Still, on principle, there have been problems in the recent past with London, Saskatoon and Shawinigan, all teams that bombed out of their playoffs and had about a month off before the Memorial Cup began.
            Here’s what I’m proposing: keep the three league winners, but give the fourth bid to the highest-ranking team in the CHL power rankings. This season it would have been the OHL’s Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds. Seed the teams by those power rankings (but since the Soo didn’t win their league, they would automatically be slotted fourth – only fair) and do a pair of best-of-three showdowns. This year would have seen Oshawa take on Sault Ste. Marie, while Rimouski and Kelowna would have faced off in the semis. Then, the home team in the championship gets to decide whether it wants to host the first two games of the series or the last two.
            "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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            • #7
              There was another CHL rule that screwed us with Nino. Each CHL team can only have 4 non North American players on their roster. Portland already had 4 on their roster. Unless Portland traded the rights to Nino, the Isles had no options. Couldn't send him to the AHL and could not send him back to Portland. And in that situation, Portland had no reason to help out the Isles.

              Looking forward to this season, as an Islanders/Winterhawks fan, I have both Barzal and Wortherspoon in town 5 times this season. Had Pilon coming in once but have crossed that off the schedule.
              Josh Bailey, 2020 Conn Smythe trophy winner.

              #bloodoath
              #secondaryassitsmatter

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              • #8
                Now here is a crazy story.

                http://www.detroitnews.com/story/spo...ired/75441230/

                Flint junior team rehires coaches after players walk out Flint — The Firebirds?
                More like the Firestorms.
                Flint's brand-new Ontario Hockey League team has made some national and international news this week, with ownership firing the coaches, the players walking out in disgust, and ownership rehiring the coaches — all in the span of 24 hours.
                The Firebirds announced just after 5 p.m. Monday that head coach John Gruden and his coaching staff would be brought back, and they even were given new, three-year contracts.
                They were fired following Sunday's game — a victory, no less.
                The Flint Firebirds, in their first year after the franchise relocated from Plymouth following the sale by Peter Karmanos Jr., are in last place in their division, but had just earned a 4-3 shootout win over Oshawa on Sunday when things began to unravel.
                Nilsen hastily fired Gruden and assistant coach David Karpa, to the absolute shock of them — and especially their players.
                The entire roster of 22 players, with Hakon Nilsen first in line, marched upstairs to the executive offices and dropped their jerseys on the ground. They said they wouldn't return until the coaches returned.
                There was a report by TSN in Canada that before the protest, Hakon Nilsen, a 17-year-old defenseman, was on the phone with his father asking, "What the (bleep) are you doing?" Papista wouldn't confirm that, nor would he confirm the reason the coach
                Good for Hakon Nilsen. Stand up kid.
                "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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                • #9
                  Again!!

                  https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/700078625320800256

                  Sportsnet @Sportsnet Flint Firebirds fire coaches John Gruden and Dave Karpa for the second time this season http://ow.ly/YrSAl
                  "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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                  • #10
                    This is just bizarre.

                    http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/a...-branch_167558

                    Statement from OHL Commissioner David Branch Thursday February 18, 2016
                    Toronto – The Ontario League takes the health and well being of our players very seriously. The recent actions by the owner of the Flint Firebirds Rolf Nilsen and his representatives on the management team and coaching staff is of great concern as they pose a serious threat to our commitment to our players and their families.
                    The league announces the following sanctions effective immediately:
                    • Mr Nilsen and his appointees on the management and coaching staff including Sergei Kharin are suspended from Flint Firebirds’ hockey operations until further notice;
                    • The Flint Firebirds at their cost, under the direction of the League, shall provide counselling services for players;
                    • Rolf Nilsen and representatives of the Flint Firebirds shall co-operate with the Commissioner and the League in investigations into the conduct and actions of the Flint Firebirds and its representatives, employees, officers and directors;
                    In addition, the League will continue to investigate the actions of Rolf Nilsen and other representatives of the Flint Firebirds and will take any action and impose any sanctions that are deemed appropriate by the Commissioner.
                    Later today, the League will be meeting with the players in Flint to further discuss the situation, and to ensure that they are provided the appropriate supports. These discussions and supports will be ongoing for the players and their families.
                    "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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                    • #11
                      Anybody know what happened?
                      The object is to win. Not just to compete, but to win.

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                      • #12
                        Interesting article on the 19 year old dilemma.

                        https://thebloggerstribune.com/2016/...fer-agreement/

                        What if NHL teams were allowed one ‘buy-out’?

                        Hear me out. My suggestion is that the transfer agreement contains a loophole that would allow each NHL team the ability to buy a prospect out of their 19-year old season. Have the leagues negotiate a set fee that would be the price of ‘buying’ a prospect – say somewhere around $250,000.
                        Josh Bailey, 2020 Conn Smythe trophy winner.

                        #bloodoath
                        #secondaryassitsmatter

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Walstib View Post
                          Interesting article on the 19 year old dilemma.

                          https://thebloggerstribune.com/2016/...fer-agreement/

                          I have been railing about this for years. So now that it effects the Leafs it becomes a discussion, naturally.

                          That is an interesting solution. I wonder if it goes anywhere.
                          "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mw147 View Post

                            I have been railing about this for years. So now that it effects the Leafs it becomes a discussion, naturally.

                            That is an interesting solution. I wonder if it goes anywhere.
                            Supposedly, there's a push to have the draft eligible age be 19, which I think would probably address the issue of allowing 19 year old players into the AHL.

                            I assume there would be a provision for "exceptional" players, like JT, to be drafted at 18 and be allowed to go directly to the NHL.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dom View Post

                              Supposedly, there's a push to have the draft eligible age be 19, which I think would probably address the issue of allowing 19 year old players into the AHL.

                              I assume there would be a provision for "exceptional" players, like JT, to be drafted at 18 and be allowed to go directly to the NHL.
                              How would they accomplish raising the draft age? Have no draft one year?

                              I vote for this year so the Leafs get screwed out of Matthews!
                              "There’s unfinished business," coach Barry Trotz said.

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